Ex-CIA: "Zelenski jest skończony, przygotuj się na usunięcie go przez CIA"

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"Były agent CIA Larry Johnson dołącza do Redacted, aby ujawnić, w jaki sposób społeczność wywiadowcza planuje odsunąć Zelenskiego od władzy. CIA ma długą historię usuwania przywódców, którzy wyczerpali swoją przydatność, od Kaddafiego po Husajna, podręcznik jest bogaty w to, jak rozwinie się to na Ukrainie."

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welcome to redacted conversations I'm Clayton Morris on this show we invite journalists thought leaders and

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remarkable individuals on to talk about stories that you won't see covered in the mainstream media today we're joined

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by Larry Johnson he's a former longtime member of the CIA yes the Central Intelligence Agency he's also a later

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then in his career a member of the U.S state Department office of counterterrorism he's been exposing

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Western propaganda since he retired and we have a lot to talk about on the show Larry welcome to the show

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for having me well first I want to give credit to journalist Eva Bartlett that's how I learned about you through her great

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interview that she did with you a short time ago so I'll link that up in the show description so people can dive

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deeper into that I know that you and Eva spent a lot of time discussing Ukraine and the lies

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um that we were being fed by the Western media so I won't retread a lot of those questions I'll encourage all of you to

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go watch that full interview um there but I do want to start with you Larry um with some context here when did

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you when did you retire from these roles in the government just to provide a

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frame of reference for our audience well I was I was with the CIA for four years 1985 to 89 and it went directly from

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there to the state department office of counterterrorism 89-93. I was forced out of state because

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they were downsizing and cutting back on counter-terrorism activities in 93 and

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so I started my own Consulting business and I've been doing consulting since 1993-94

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uh set up Burger Associates in 1998 had five Partners so I still have one

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partner and uh I've worked with the U.S military Special Operations Command U.S

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military joint Special Operations Command Special Operations Command Socom

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uh starting in 1994 and did that for 23 years so that involved scripting

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terrorism exercises maintaining top secret clearances working with not just

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the military but with FBI with CIA with the National Security Agency NSA so

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really having a broad overview of U.S activities overseas why did you start

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exposing the lies and the propaganda from the U.S government when did that

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start for you was there a moment a catalyst that you said you know people need to know about this

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uh probably back in 1988 when I'm sitting in a a warning meeting so I was

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at the CIA I was the senior Regional analyst for Central America and uh the net the National Intelligence

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officer for Latin America at the time Bob Vickers in the morning meeting is to bring together discuss all the

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intelligence and try to have an integrated picture and I referred to the contrast and

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vicker stopped me and said stop you have to refer to them as the Nicaragua and Democratic resistance

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and I said but the president calls them the Contours he goes yeah but he's the president so right there that encapsulates the

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problem once you start playing with language and start using euphemisms and and

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refusing to actually call something what it is I've always had that in that pushback uh

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I was when I trained at the CIA Valerie plain was one of my classmates wow when

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she was outed uh in 2003 I I went on on air and I actually recruited four of our

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other classmates we did a Nightline uh appearance and we talked about Valerie

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that she was not some glorified secretary as she was in fact a non-official cover officer that was

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working on very sensitive issues so I've always sort of I guess been a

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fly in the orient as far as I don't I don't like conventional wisdom and I

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always try to look to see if what we're being told is the truth I was in 2000

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and uh three in May I guess it was April of 2003 I was on national public radio

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with Michelle Norris and um saying that the invasion in Iraq was

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a was a complete the disaster as far as lies to the

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American public that it was not grounded and true and that there was there were actually people in the CIA who were

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arguing this but their their voices were being silenced so across over time I become both let's

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call it an enemy of the right and an enemy of the left right well I was going to say you're probably pissing a lot of people off do

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you ever hear from these people does it do you get you know does it bother you to hear from sort of that Community or

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even online trolls about trying to discredit you how do you do you hear from these people some some of the

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trolls uh try I used to be a very uh you know common face um as a pundit on the

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various cable news shows um that really ended five years ago uh

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in March of 2017 I appeared on RT the day that uh Donald Trump claimed that

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the FBI was spying on him and I commented at the time that one of the

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things Trump was missing is that the the United Kingdom MI6 it was uh ghcq uh or

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I mean gchq where we're the ones spying on Trump because they could collect all

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of his Communications and then disseminate him through intelligence channels to the U.S intelligence

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community that way it was legal that is a legal way to spy on Americans and boy

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the media went nuts I mean I was I was pillow reading I think on every front

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page of British newspaper um the real irony out of that story is back in 2000 in the summer of 2007 I was

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actually affiliated with Hillary Clinton in her campaign to Sid Blumenthal

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and Sid Blumenthal fed me a story he said hey we've got we've got word that

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uh Michelle Obama's on tape saying the word Whitey I said really he says yeah

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you should check it out so I I went to three different people I asked Seymour Hirsch Psy Hurst tells me yeah yeah I've

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heard that as well and I and I had two other confirmations of it so I wrote up in the blog that this is what I had

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heard and I had had these three different sources that went viral and as

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but the tape never appeared and so fun I kept pressing and pressing and went to

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Sid and said you know where did you get this and he hooked me up with David Brock of

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Media Matters of Media Matters of course good old David Brock right I I myself foolishly at that time was a victim of a

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Clinton dirty trick uh because the whole notion of Michelle Obama using the term

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Whitey uh was a lie right and it just sounds it does you know it Now you kind

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of think about it now it doesn't even pass really the smell test now when you when you think about it right um surprise

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go ahead sorry what was funny back then is that the Obama campaign put out a

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statement saying no no she didn't say whitey she said why did he

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so to me it's like if it's a total lie you

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shouldn't even have to come out and can't make up some alternative story but yeah but but the point was I got used in

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that and so after that that has become that's how we discredit Larry Johnson he spread the Whiting team okay right right

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I I divulge all of that up front and I've written apologies uh in my blogs to

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Michelle Obama over that uh but just well we all make mistakes in our career you know and I I think I've I in fact I

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I'm pretty sure I've interviewed you I was a news anchor at Fox News for many years uh and uh anchored a morning show

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called Fox and Friends and I spent 10 years there uh with co-host of with Tucker Carlson so I I you know look

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there's been a lot of things in my career that I wish well I wish I could have gone back and asked this differently or done this differently

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um but you know that's why we keep going we're human beings and we try to get to the truth and so you know that's why I

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wanted to have you on I want to start sort of at a high level regarding propaganda and uh and and then I want to

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get into some specifics of propaganda now firstly I have a history degree I've been I've spent years reading

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histographies about propaganda during Wars even some of my favorite books like Ben McIntyre spy books about World War

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II like operation mincemeat you know agent zigzag he highlights quite a bit

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of propaganda but I have never seen propaganda to the degree that we're seeing it out of Ukraine by the Western

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governments am I wrong here or am I am I imagining this talk me off the ledge yeah well no uh I can't keep you off the

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ledge you're gonna have to jump true um you know my first my first

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exposure to the the world of covert action was uh during my time in the

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Career Training Career Training Program at the CIA we were given eight week internships and my first internship was

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working on the Afghanistan task task force and right away they stuck us into uh you got to get right into the middle

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of operations and corporate action involves planting stories developing a

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narrative overseas that uh at that time it was pushed and

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uh on television news shows on Radio and on in print media basically newspapers

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and magazines and uh my proudest time on the covert

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action was we had t-shirts made up that showed all of these Afghan children and the women in these refugee camps and

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these t-shirts were being passed out on the beaches of Punta Del Este and Montevideo and then summertime and it

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said these children can't go home for Christmas you know it's about that image apart from the fact that they were

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Muslim and didn't celebrate Christmas that was an example of just you know crude but it was one thing that was done

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uh that there were people that were being hired by the CIA to make documentaries and they didn't realize

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they were being hired by the CIA this was this was an era before social media

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so now Jump Ahead to where we are today and you're absolutely right what is going on is staggering in terms of the

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amount of disinformation and lies being put out everything from Putin has cancer

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no he has Parkinson's disease no he has the Heartbreak of psoriasis I mean this

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is just it is totally absurd here next it'll be he's got Propecia and he's got

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pharmaceutical companies will hire him as a spokesman say yeah I've taken all their drugs and look I'm still alive

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right it is just the effectiveness of this campaign though it's only been

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internally it has been it really it's directed against the American public to

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convince them to support a lie so that's what I wanted to get to so where is it

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coming from obviously you worked at the cias are coming just from there is it coming from the state department uh I've

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seen different I've seen different state department documents uh so I know actually some of it's coming from there

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specifically uh but um there's I would imagine that there's

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a whole bunch of places where it's coming from is it a coordinated effort do they get and how early do they get in

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to these planning sessions is this something that happens in January of 2022 or is it something that happened

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last year or two years ago or in 2014 when we installed a puppet regime in

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Ukraine and mapped out this for many many years how far back does this go I

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don't know but your your instincts are correct as far as they didn't just wake

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up on February 24th and say hey we've got to put together a propaganda campaign uh because the role of the

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Central Intelligence Agency in Ukraine it goes back years and

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played with the CIA played a direct role I think of sort of a secondary role to

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British MI6 in under my Dawn and the revolution that overthrew the elected

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president uh back in uh February 2014.

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but this CIA doesn't do it on its own State

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Department doesn't do it on its own DOD we're not looking at Rogue bureaucrats

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coming up with this this reflects policy direction from the top so uh this

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clearly comes out of the White House I don't know who is pulling the strings at the White House

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Joe Biden I think can barely figure out which door to go in and out of every day right there yeah I hardly I hardly

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believe it's coming out of his uh out of his mind at this stage uh probably definitely a a group of people around

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him pushing this and it's amazing to see how coordinated it is I mean I just you drive around you see the other day I was

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driving down to Town Square and they had all these chairs set up and they were doing a concert for Ukraine uh and I

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just thought wow you know it's you walk around Times Square and there's just Billboards up all over the place for

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support Ukraine and you wonder who's behind it and you start looking into the where the money is flowing and the

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messaging and people changing all of their Twitter biographies they put an emoji of a you know in a Ukrainian flag

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and and if you question this you get trolls that just climb all over you you

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know you're suddenly a Putin apologist if you question this narrative and then it tries to shut down conversation yeah

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this is um yeah I have never in my life seen this kind

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of pushback on anybody that tries to raise an alternative point of view you know you

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remember in your time I I was a Fox News analyst back in 2003

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um and back when they had you know major Bob bethelok Law and general Paul valolay

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Tom mcinerney right so I was always on for the terrorism stuff and what was

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what was ironic back then I was the of that group of former military guys I was

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actually the only one who was read into the top secret classified Special Operations programs did get on air and

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talk about it but none of them were read into it none of them had actually worked with units I had but even back then

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there was there was still a room for alternative points of view allowed even on Fox

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although I got fired ultimately by Roger Ailes because I was on Hannity and combs

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it was in the like November 7th November 8th of uh 2002 and the question came up about the

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possible invasion of Iraq and I said the United States is not in a position to invade Iraq we couldn't fight a

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two-front war and that if we did so it'd be a diversion into law on terrorism well they all sent down word I don't

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want him on air anymore and I I stopped getting uh invites and even though I was still under contract and thoughts to its

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credit they kept paying me every week but uh they didn't put the only one that had me on air back then was uh Bill

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O'Reilly even after the uh the dick talk came down from Roger Reyes so wow but

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what we've seen now the only alternative voice I've seen on the U.S media

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speaking against the narrative has been Colonel Douglas McGregor and Doug has

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been on Tucker Carlson you know I I have a deep friendship with with Tucker and as we we talk about he says look there

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there are literally no voices in the media that are anti-war and uh and

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that's the truth you know and I don't want to tell Tales out of school but he you know he's up against he's up against

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a mountain he's literally one of the few voices saying what are we doing we're

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heading towards a nuclear war and you have members of Congress that are saying we want to have a uh you know an over uh

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remove Vladimir Putin uh regime change and then of course over the past 24

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hours we just heard from Vladimir zielinski in an interview on CNN saying that the only way this war ends is with

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the removal of Putin in Moscow so to me it's delusional I don't know and then of

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course the Western media is going to go along with it CNN's going to push this narrative and and and I don't know what

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is the end game here well part the propaganda campaign that we saw that

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was so intense in February March and through the middle of April it's now

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backing off it's you know it's it's almost like one of those commercials

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um for Viagra that you know you're if your sense of excitement lasts more than

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you know three months uh see a doc right as you check the media now and you go to

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the websites for Fox or MSNBC CNN Ukraine which used to be the number one

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story blaring headlines and it is now either not there or it's down at the

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bottom and it's just you know it's it's not a very positive story in fact CNN

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last week I was shocked to discover at a piece about the former U.S soldier of

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special forces guy who had gone to Ukraine to fight and all he was doing was whining and crying about oh it was

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terrible getting shelled in four days it was hell and he quit so I'm going well

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and but that was so telling that one CNN would start telling that story because

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now they're having to come to grips with reality uh number two it was a reminder

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that unless you have the the positive raw raw flag waving Victory footage to

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show that it is still a business about getting eyeballs to watch and right is

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not the good news of the victory instead you've got the azov Battalion so-called

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Battalion surrendering at mariopal and even there the media in in I guess

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tipping the hat to George Orwell called it an evacuation yeah they're evacuating

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into Russia because that makes sense um I mean there's so many things we could unpack here I want to talk about

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uh the sanctions and then I want to get to somehow the media where the money flows and how the media

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positions some of these stories but you mentioned sort of the crumbling of this

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narrative that's appearing on a lot of the mainstream media now and you can see it in Reuters today and other other news

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Publications which you know are absolutely in lockstep with a with the Ukrainian narrative we have EU sanctions

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German economic Minister yesterday said that the support by the EU on sanctions against Russia are starting to

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crumble in the U in the EU food prices are soaring across the world so have

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sanctions against Russia actually worked and I guess I already know the answer

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maybe but it appears that maybe this is where that fracturing is coming from

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now this it's always follow the money or follow the lack of money uh what I I find remarkable and

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incomprehensible is that the people who dreamed up the idea that boy we're going to sanction uh

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Russia to the Stone Age had no idea or understanding of the economic realities

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that undergird Russia's economy Russia is one of the few countries in the world

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that's self-sufficient they you know if they close us their

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people would eat they would still be able to build Advanced Machinery they'd be able to build rocket engines uh I

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can't say that you know Germany doesn't build rocket engines Spain doesn't build

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so but they shut it down but but the other thing that Beyond this when you

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know I step back and look at it from an analyst point of view can we cite one example in history and

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then the last 70 years we're imposing economic sanctions on a country

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produced regime change political change that have helped the United States

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achieve its interests the answer to that is not a single case

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didn't work in Cuba didn't work in Venezuela didn't work in Iran didn't

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work in North Korea didn't work in Iran so why in God's name

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do we keep going back to the well and pull this out as well boy we're gonna

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really hurt him now because the the pain that has that is

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being caused is real we're talking about global food shortages and starvation

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famine in countries that previously had enough to eat why is that because nobody

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took time to assess the importance of Russia and the Ukraine in terms of wheat

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exports to the world nobody took time to examine the importance of Russia and

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Belarus in terms of EX fertilizer exports I know from friends in Iowa that uh

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that the farmers there they're paying four to five times what they were last year for fertilizer they're paying

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double to Triple for diesel fuel well those costs get factored into the

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food and it does a couple of things one it means they may not be able to plant as much as they have which means reduced

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output two it means whatever you produce it's going to be far more expensive which

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means that if you're buying bread you're going to pay two to three times what you are paying now

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so this this is a structural source of inflation but it's not just the food and

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the fertilizer other essential minerals Earth minerals that are critical for

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production of uh you know whether it's uh components for automobiles uh

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the microprocessors Etc a lot of that comes out of Russia too that's cut off so the West has done such

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enormous damage to itself and then there's the oil and gas which you've got BMW and the heads of German automobile

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companies saying that they could be done producing automobiles in three months I

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mean think about that that Volkswagen BMW Mercedes-Benz kaput and to speak it in

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German so the the ramifications of this this is sort of like an asteroid hitting

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the earth and the ripple effect that goes around the globe killing and creating secondary damage

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this is a metaphorical asteroid asteroid that's hit the world economy so it's not

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just Russia's the one who's actually largely unscathed out of this it is the

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West Europe in particular the United States Latin America South America

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that are going to suffer the ramifications of this and nobody's

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really it there's this assumption that there's always somebody really smart in

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the government in the intelligence community that sits down and thinks these things through so that they know

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what's going on doesn't exist for three or four years and from 2000

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into like 2004 I was part of a team that did a senior crisis management seminar

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under the state Department's anti-terrorism assistance training program in this seminar we trained

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people from other countries so it'd be if say they'd come from Cyprus or from

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Colombia or Saudi Arabia we did Saudi Arabia and Pakistan it'd be one country

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per seminar and I came to discover that all of these foreigners didn't matter

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whether they were from South America for the Middle East or from Asia they all believed that the United States

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had some sort of secret that we were keeping from them and this was particularly in reference to the war

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in Iraq he assumed that we really that we really were not that stupid that we

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had some devious plot that we weren't sharing with them because they figured that we thought like they thought that

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they would hide stuff from us in life about true intentions and I had to say no no this the war in Iraq in 2003 was

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not some partisan Grand strategy it was uh much more vote you know they really

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thought that they could go in and install democracy and make the world a better place to to live it was that

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simple and that stupid um and so this

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the foreigners they understood or they didn't understand that we don't understand and

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so when you come back to it there's nobody in the US government that's sitting down and thinking these things

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through and say what will be the second third fourth uh consequences of this

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particular action thinking like a chess player we're a country that plays poker

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we're a country that likes to gamble uh we're not a country known for its great

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chess players park and Bobby Fischer you know it's interesting when you say that because I think about the propaganda

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campaigns then and again I'm sitting back thinking man these as I said before these things must be cooked up for years

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they must be white boards with pieces of yarn with pins attached to things right

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building a web of Deceit and is that how it goes when they're building sort of

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these disinformation campaigns and propaganda is it that thought out or is it more like you say more like you know

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what we've got this one idea we're gonna play poker here and call their Bluff there are plans developed you know the

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counter-terrorism exercises I worked on over 23 years so my role in that was I

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was to script create State Department messages both messages going from the Secretary of State and messages coming

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in from the U.S embassies overseas and and you create the information background that would then justify a

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military deployment by Special Operations forces to deal with a particular threat whether it was a sarin

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attack or Anthrax or a nuclear bomb we did a whole variety of scenarios

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what I found fascinating out of that is at the conclusion of each of these exercises so we we do the scripting and

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then the exercises would actually be executed in point say six uh three to

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six months later at the conclusion of those exercises there would always be what's called a

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hot wash or an after-action report where people would sit around say okay what did we learn from this what do we do

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wrong or what could we do better and I quickly discovered that everyone was this was the best exercise ever nobody's

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ever done this better than us and there were no lessons learned they would come up with a list that

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nobody paid attention to those lists nobody went back and reviewed them so I

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imagine there are actually written plans that have been put together some you

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know what CIA would do for itself what DOD would do through its uh psyops

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commands that you know throughout the government there are documents about how to push a

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particular message but uh in terms of having it tightly

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coordinated I think it's it should it should happen

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but it doesn't it doesn't always happen like you think it should because the bureaucracy is

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vast and people will they become very task oriented about what's in front of

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us today again I didn't see I I was never involved

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well in fact in 2003 let's go back to the war to Iraq nobody ever sat down and

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said okay where do we want a rock to be in five years what should this look like what's that plan how did we get from

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here to there so that kind of strategic thinking I have never seen in my time in

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exposure to the US government and I did hold top secret clearances I did hold compartmented clearances and I had the

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advantage of worked in CIA worked at State worked closely with FBI worked

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with the military so I've been in sort of all the different tents that comprise the the the U.S government City and

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didn't see that earlier this week or actually says I should say last week at the Department of Defense

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uh we had General milley and we had Lloyd Austin giving a speech there were

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a variety of topics were discussed one question that was asked by a reporter specifically about like what's

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the end game here for Ukraine you know and how do we do what's the goal how do we declare

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sort of a victory or how do we understand that this is a mission complete and that this is a success so

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back to your Iraq analogy do you think that there is a plan do you

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what what Ukraine is supposed to look like in five years if we continue to pour 40 billion dollars of weapons into

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that country has anyone thought through what this is going to look like years from now

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no there won't be a Ukraine in five years this the way this war is grinding

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on right now um Ukraine is ability to stay intact as

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a country as I I think in Brave Brave doubt number one they've lost their

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economic uh think of it as arteries that flow into a heart so one of the major

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arteries is the what comes up from the southern coast from the Black Sea that's

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a major economic outlet for both Imports exports via container ships that's gone

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not coming back Russia's got that under control uh I I fully expect Russia to

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take control of Odessa sometime within the next two to three months maybe sooner but Russia will they already have

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de facto control of the southern coast there is nothing that comes in and out of there unless Russia approves it so

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you lose that enormous chunk of the ability to get food and critical

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resources is dependent really on what goes across the border with Poland and

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there is an actual physical limitation to how many trains how many trucks can

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go back and forth and so in the con in the coast of course of that

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the economy in Ukraine is going to be detracting they're going to be constantly constantly demanding uh more

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money from the West right now yeah people are have been willing to give but that's starting to

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end if you look at what's happening in places like Austria and even Poland

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they're starting to push Ukrainian refugees out the before they were welcoming them and

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waving the yellow and blue flag and singing their praises now they're

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kicking them out of hotels and said get out of here and some of these Ukrainian refugees are proving to be very

32:42

unwelcome guests you know they're beating people up in the streets so uh

32:47

as Ukraine's needs economically are not going to go away they're going to grow and

32:54

they're not going to have the internal ability to get that to produce the money

33:00

to grow food to uh you know these major manufacturing centers that used to exist

33:06

they're going to be largely under the control of Russia going forward so this gets back to the were they thinking of

33:14

the plan I believe that Austin and others have articulated

33:19

that they would force Russia's hand that it would have no other alternative it

33:25

would have to surrender that Putin would be gone that the economic pressured me so great on Russia that they would

33:31

collapse the opposite's going to happen that's going to happen to the Ukraine

33:36

um zalinski very well to be ousted in the coup within the next three to four weeks uh because of the great uh

33:45

disgruntlement among troops on the Eastern front at that point

33:50

Russia is is intact the United States is going to have to figure out how to how do we back away from drawing

33:58

this Red Line in the Sand because Russia is a genuine world power

34:05

from an economic and Military standpoint they're really China cannot do

34:10

militarily what Russia does China has a lot more you know men to

34:16

throw into the military but they technologically are not up to the same level that Russia is and Americans

34:25

forget you know for years there we were having to rely upon Russia to fly our

34:30

sorry asses to the space station because we couldn't produce our own Rockets right and yet you know we disparage

34:37

Russia as a backward country of a bunch of uh ignorant slobs it's just

34:43

ridiculous he brought up China and that's where I want to go next so over the past few days we heard from

34:48

Secretary of State uh Anthony blinken who gave a big speech on China and

34:56

talked about this being the main focus for the United States that forget Russia

35:01

I mean and it's amazing to even hear him say he's like you know forget Russia China is the main focus and we're not

35:08

going to back down from China we're going to stand up to the sphere of influence that China is trying to create

35:14

in the indo-pacific and that should be our main focus now so I want to kind of

35:21

unpack the China question sure and where do you see the propaganda where's the truth actually let's get to

35:28

the truth here is China we I hear from people in my YouTube accounts like you don't know what you're talking about

35:34

China's about to attack the United States you better listen to Anthony blinken you better listen they're about

35:39

to attack the United States and then other people say this is absolute fear-mongering by the United States so

35:44

where is the truth in this China is a threat always has been but just because it's a

35:52

Potential Threat to our interests doesn't mean that uh you have to go to

35:57

war with them I I actually I believe what part of what's unfolding is the United States

36:03

is again the provocateur here and we're doing it in such a crazy way we're not

36:09

as strong and as powerful as we think we are delusional in that regard we think

36:17

our military that we can withstand anything the Chinese throw at us

36:22

the the entire premise of U.S power projection in in the Pacific is based

36:29

upon our Naval Force carrier task force well those carrier task force in the

36:36

past they could withstand conventional missile threats we're now in the era of hypersonic

36:43

missiles the aircraft carrier is completely vulnerable to a Hypersonic

36:49

missile and my understanding is the Chinese have some and the Russians

36:55

certainly have summoned would be more than happy to supply the Chinese with them uh if they felt that there was

37:01

really an existential threat from the United States um so at that point when you take out

37:08

all aircraft carriers what what's the United States what's our option like a nuclear strike on China

37:15

uh we could get uh we could get Doolittle again from World War II and yeah and again that the Doolittle right

37:22

it made Americans feel good it didn't really do much damage exactly you guys know but you know it made us is part of

37:29

that propaganda mean you know it feeds into it I think China is being extremely shrewd right now

37:36

and they're not looking for a direct military confrontation with the United States look at the lockdown that's taken

37:43

place in Shanghai because of covet right it does not make sense

37:48

particularly in light of how China dealt with the covet threat the previous two

37:53

years they never had that kind of massive lockdown of any other major cities now all of a sudden oh we've got

38:01

the covet we've got to lock it down well why is Shanghai important Shanghai is a

38:07

critical hub for economic activity with the United States and in locking down

38:13

that city is locked down and stopped the flow of critical economic elements to

38:19

the United States this is another source of pain for the U.S economy we

38:27

haven't seen it fully manifested yet so this is the way that China can engage in

38:33

economic Warfare without declaring economic Warfare they could say oh you know we'd love to help

38:40

you but boy we got this coveted we've got to contain it just like you know you've locked down your Society we've got to lock ours down right I mean they

38:47

can go to they can say Hey you know all those Foxconn plants that make all your iPhones we just we saw a rash of covid

38:54

sweeping through those Foxconn planes so sorry I know you want iPhones but you're

38:59

probably not going to get them because we saw covid there that's a great Point I've really not thought about that at all well and Tesla as well Tesla is a

39:08

major has a major manufacturing center there in Shanghai I believe China is now

39:13

pushing back with uh through economic means carrying out the Warfare and that's fun

39:20

that they can accomplish through those once the United States is weakened once

39:26

we are in the throes of hyperinflation which I believe is a real possibility

39:31

within the next six months to a year uh once our economy is starting to

39:37

Crater and you know I live in I live in the west coast of Florida just south of

39:42

Tampa the real estate market here has been insane it was such that you didn't even

39:48

have to put a house on the market for it to sell people were lined up and just it

39:53

was it would start selling what's happened in the last two weeks houses in my neighborhood which is a highly

39:59

desired place to live house has now been on the market for two weeks that's unheard of uh and it is

40:08

that the prices prices have literally doubled well that's starting to cool so

40:14

it started here in the states and so China I think is counting on the fact

40:20

that if the United States is economically weakened then they will be at Liberty to do what

40:28

they want to do in terms of pursuing what they see as their legitimate claim over Taiwan uh so I I don't necessarily

40:37

see it going towards the military confrontation they could and I do know

40:42

for a fact that the United States our Pacific command Paycom

40:48

that they have been taking some provocative actions out in the East China Sea that uh sort of tempting the

40:56

Chinese to push back problem for the United States is that we

41:03

grossly exaggerate our military capability we've lived in just

41:09

self-delusion over the last 32 years because

41:15

we everybody we fought is the equivalent of a crippled kid in a wheelchair we've never actually fought somebody

41:22

could stand on both feet and have both arms and our is a trained fighter uh you

41:29

know we fought Iraq we fought the folks in Somalia we fought the afghanis and

41:36

frankly we didn't win any of those conflicts look look what happened in Somalia I

41:43

mean the reason Bill Clinton got out because of of what happened in Mogadishu my brother was there at the time or

41:48

shortly uh before that it was a mess so you're right about that I thought a lot

41:54

about that you mentioned in an interview with Eva Bartlett about

41:59

we uh we haven't fought a real foe since basically Korea and that really struck a

42:06

chord with me and you think about Vietnam you think about Somalia you think about Iraq you think about these

42:12

countries with no air power and then you see what's happening in Russia where they're just

42:17

absolutely ripping apart entire uh bunkers and entire uh trench trenches

42:24

that the ukrainians have set up and wiping out anything that they have to fight back

42:29

yeah there's I I'd love to take credit for being brilliant and coming up with this on my own but

42:35

um Andre Marciano has written an absolutely brilliant book

42:41

I mean it really is must read it's called losing military Supremacy the

42:46

myopia of American strategic planning and Andre lays this out chapter and

42:51

verse I mean it's just yeah his insights are just really astounding

42:58

I'll make sure we I'll make sure we link that up in the description I'm confounded though I mean I have

43:04

friends in the military I have friends at the Pentagon I have friends in NATO I've you know all in all manners I've

43:11

family members uh who who were you know in Iraq so

43:16

the amount of money that the United States spends to have this so-called greatest military in the

43:23

world President Biden just 800 billion dollars and Americans can't buy eggs

43:30

and yeah and you're pointing to this book and I just don't know what the disconnect is like where is this money

43:36

going if it's not actually going to build up this massive military industrial uh force to be reckoned with

43:43

where we can't even fight one war let alone a two-front war but it

43:49

inherent corruption were you ever were you based in

43:54

Washington are you up in New York I was in New York City yeah so I first moved to the Washington DC

44:00

area in Maryland back in 1979 when I

44:05

arrived there at the time you did not have a single Lamborghini Ferrari

44:11

Bentley dealership in the area you didn't have a row of luxury stores

44:18

you know on par with what you'd see in Beverly Hills um now it's populated you know you can

44:26

get a Ferrari you can get a Lamborghini you can get the high-end luxury items but what does Washington DC produce

44:32

nothing but access to people who can uh allocate a lot of money for a lot of

44:38

contractors and the the buildings that line the Dulles uh toll road going from

44:45

Washington DC out to Dulles Airport uh just it's it's contractor Canyon so what

44:52

what's happened is this Corruption of money where the defense industry buys

44:59

off generals Who come out of the Pentagon and then they go onto their boards and then they get their buddies

45:04

and then we've been able to go back and sell weaponry and I live next door to the largest defense lobbyist in in

45:12

Washington DC and it was all about getting the right member of Congress who

45:18

a member of Congress needs money for their campaign so these corporations will spill out the money to them and it

45:26

becomes a self-looking ice cream cone so instead of actually creating military hardware technology that's critical for

45:33

National Defense it's really you get you get the Exotic so we're now in a

45:39

situation and that's compared back to World War II um what the Germans created these

45:46

massive tanks like the Panthers they were huge but they took a long time to build they were very complex

45:54

mechanically and once they got out of the field they broke down so yes it was a big huge tank and it could destroy 10

46:01

Russian t-34 tanks the difference of Russia was able to

46:07

produce a thousand t-34 tanks in a day think about that wow so the it was the

46:14

difference between having all this high-end Weaponry that was not necessarily reliable and let's call it

46:21

low end crap that actually worked and it would keep on ticking even after getting a licking and that's exactly the

46:29

position of the United States military is in today look at the F-35 right I forget it was it 90

46:36

90 million dollars and yet the flight every hour it operates

46:43

you have to spend another thirty five thousand dollars an hour to keep that

46:48

plane in the air so right away you're talking about an enormous expenditure of resources for

46:55

just one plane the reality is we shouldn't have manned

47:00

aircraft anymore that are combat Fighters because the Drone technology has come so far that you can fly those

47:08

planes remotely and the second element is those planes can perform at levels

47:14

that if they do not have a human occupant they're much more they can do a

47:20

lot more Dynamic activity but because you have to have a human being in it

47:25

you've got to go through all these safety systems that end up adding to the cost of the plane so we're really now

47:32

we're in a situation in which we've invested so much money in military hardware that has been outpaced by

47:41

technology and I gave an example earlier the Hypersonic missile aircraft carriers

47:48

no longer are invulnerable they are very vulnerable and uh you know 12 Hypersonic

47:54

missiles could take out the bulk of the U.S naval force and we can't build that carrier in a week you know bringing on

48:01

new carriers on board wow all of a sudden the United States military ability to project Force Through uh

48:08

Naval activity is is eliminated so this is this is the equivalent of the

48:14

introduction of the machine gun back when we were still had horse cowboy uh the horse cavalry became a the

48:22

irrelevant it was no longer relevant because the machine gun could kill it

48:27

more quickly and that's that's sort of the circum situation we're in now we've invested so

48:35

heavily in military equipment and Hardware that you know candidly doesn't work that

48:41

well and they're actually seeing that a little bit in on the field in Ukraine

48:46

we've sent thousands of Javelin missiles uh you know uh and Stinger missiles

48:53

and they're not decimating the Russian uh military as as often been claimed in

48:59

the media no and then they just reordered new ones overnight I just saw a new big huge order from almost 700

49:05

million dollars for a new round of stinger missiles so the money keeps throwing even though they're not working

49:12

yeah and that's to replenish our stocks right and when you sit down and realize that the Stinger missiles of 42 year old

49:19

piece of technology I mean it was created in 1980. so uh the and it was used originally to

49:26

shoot down uh helicopters which the the helicopter Simpson have developed some

49:31

you know the Russians putting out some helicopters for pretty effective countermeasures so The Stingers don't

49:37

always work that well what they do work on is commercial aircraft and that we've lost control of The

49:44

Stingers in the Ukraine the Ukrainian criminal organizations have certainly got their hands on them and there are

49:50

lots of other organizations out around the world that would love to get a stinger and use it for their own

49:55

purposes well even CNN of all of all news organizations a few weeks ago reported that we can't keep track of

50:01

where these these weapons wind up in the field when they get there we don't really have a a accurate way of tracking

50:07

them and I saw a separate report which confirms what you were just talking about that these Stinger missiles uh

50:14

when they arrive in theater I mean so many other countries have gotten their hands on these things so-called enemies

50:20

of the United States to your point and I think a number of commercial aircraft have already been shot down is that not

50:26

correct with these with American missiles with American weapons

50:31

I'm not a I'm not aware of that I couldn't I couldn't come up with a list anyway you may be right but it hasn't

50:38

been that confident uh it's the kind of thing that could become more common going forward

50:43

with uh again it's it's not a terribly complicated technology to learn how to

50:50

use but there still has to be some training right yeah I recall uh gosh it was January of 86 uh the

50:58

United States we brought mujahideen from Afghanistan to America to learn how to

51:04

shoot The Stingers against the Russians right right he's been training was being conducted in a particular top secret

51:12

base I was actually at that base at the time so uh one of the things I wanted to

51:18

touch on before we get you out of here is you know I I this idea of a conspiracy

51:23

theory I mean one and and I you know it sounds conspiratorial to talk about the United States moving towards a civil war

51:30

but when you we had a viewer during one of our live shows say to us you know the

51:36

term conspiracy theory came from the CIA we separately looked it up and we said

51:41

that that seemed to be the case and I wanted to confirm with you who having worked at the CIA uh first of all is

51:46

that where that term comes from conspiracy theory does it come out of the CIA yeah I've never I've never looked into

51:53

the origins of it um I I guess my take on the the how you

51:59

call it a pejorative conspiracy theory because it is a majority views to try to

52:05

discredit what is actually true um yeah there are you know people will generate conspiracies and they're always

52:14

very elaborative certain a high level of coordination and intricacy uh just what I know for my own time in

52:21

government is the government has a very difficult time keeping secrets and I I

52:29

learned early on in my days at CIA we'd be getting briefed on internet now this is top secret information don't share

52:35

this next day or two it's in the front page of the Washington Post or New York Times so it was was being leaked and I came to

52:44

understand that when classified information is being put out it's usually because there's a policy

52:49

difference and this is one way that the bureaucracy has a fighting this battle by putting that information out in

52:56

public there's also with peop when there's agreement on a particular policy or

53:02

approach that information rarely leaks uh you know I recall in the early days

53:08

what's what's now called the foreign emergency support team it's out unclassified it's an interagency

53:16

response team for dealing with the terrorist incident but when I first started working on it back in 1989 it

53:22

was top secret but you know nobody discussed it we we came close to having it exposed in the

53:30

summer of 1990 uh when we'd that team had responded to a

53:35

a coup in Trinidad and Tobago just on the eve of the invasion of Iraq by

53:41

Saddam Hussein and one reporter got wind of it and we were able to talk that

53:47

reporter out of publishing the story which they did which they did not publish so

53:52

there what I find fascinating is

53:58

like for example when I was saying in 2017 that there was a coordinated U.S

54:03

government effort to discredit Donald Trump I was accused of being a conspiracy

54:09

well we now know it's true because what I was being told at the time CIA started in 2015 under John Brennan

54:17

they put they literally were spying not just on Trump because remember Trump there's no guarantee that Trump is going

54:23

to be the nominee but they were literally collecting intelligence and the way the CIA would do this is through

54:30

foreign liaison so the CIA in theory cannot spy on Americans but by God the

54:37

Brits can and the Dutch can and the Germans can so we go to those

54:43

intelligence Services give them a list of requirements of who to collect information on they collect that

54:50

information they produce intelligence reports that are then shared through liaison channels well the the CIA can

54:57

certainly receive foreign intelligence and just because it happens to be about American citizens they'll block the name

55:04

out even though they know what the names are they were collecting information on Ted Cruz and on Bernie Sanders of all

55:11

things this was in 2015. wow and as time went on as the campaign consolidated

55:18

and when it became clear that Donald Trump was going to be the nominee that's when the whole Focus came together I

55:25

think around end of December January of 2016 to go after it now I was hearing

55:32

about this from a friend of mine in the CIA uh you know one guy was approached

55:38

he's tapped on the shoulder he's asked if he wanted to be part of what they called the Trump task force he said uh they literally brought

55:45

together an interagency organization to collect information on Donald Trump to try to destroy now people say ah you're

55:52

a conspiracy theorist well dude that's what was going on and guess what we start learning this week from Robbie

55:59

Mook yeah the whole Russian thing was which ended up by the Hillary Clinton campaign with no kid I wrote about that

56:04

five years ago we had uh you you had John podesta be

56:11

communicating with a fellow up on the hill and named badowski and Mr badowski

56:18

was talking he said in the in a December email to uh podesta we need to beat up

56:25

Donald Trump over his Bromance with uh Vladimir poop so it was clearly a part of their campaign strategy back then so

56:32

just back to your broader question their conspiracy the the use of the term

56:39

conspiracy theory at least in the west right now is always a majority designed

56:44

to attack somebody who's more often than not telling the truth right we have a we have a saying here on our show and we

56:50

didn't come up with it but it came from a viewer I believe uh conspiracy theories are simply spoiler alerts yeah

56:56

six six months later they end up coming true right well you know and we we talked I kind of touched on this idea of

57:03

civil war and I you know I don't want it to sound like a conspiracy theory but when you see what's happening in the

57:08

United States right now you see these massive divisions and more to the point

57:14

not even just like cultural divisions but you see you see rampant poverty and you see inflation and you see you see

57:21

what the government is doing you know one it has all of the Hallmarks of what like Jared Diamond writes about

57:27

in his book collapse uh or others have studied regime studied uh studied

57:33

Empires that have collapsed there's a lot of similarities here are we

57:38

are we ignoring history and simply just labeling at a conspiracy theory or do you see some signs some seeds right now

57:46

that the United States is heading in that direction anybody that has studied history

57:52

would see some eerie and welcome parallels uh with what is going on right now in

57:59

the United States with you know say the lead-up to the Civil War in the 1860s

58:04

um this at that time the issue was really states rights it wasn't slavery per se

58:10

slavery was one of the elements that was fighting against but but we've now we've got a

58:17

the cultural Civil War is definitely underway Michael chertoff

58:24

former head of Homeland Security uh uh public liar

58:31

um we we saw what happened with Nina jankowitz who was going to be heading up this disinformation governance board

58:37

under the Department of Homeland Security she was outed for spreading

58:43

disinformation herself about russiagate well I I was really worried that

58:48

the real story here now that she was ousted like people would forget about this because now Michael chertoff is

58:55

basically going to run the show and take over where she is not running this disinformation governed in sports so

59:00

it's not going away can you speak about Michael chertoff and maybe why we need

59:06

to be more concerned now than we were before with this Nina jankowitz yeah the the big difference is Church

59:13

off is competent she wasn't and he's dangerous remember

59:19

Church off was one of the signatories to the letter claiming that the hunter

59:24

Biden laptop was possible Russian disinformation right I mean absolute lie

59:30

uh so the irony here is the guy that's been putting out disinformation is right

59:36

in the middle I mean I'm I'm friend I don't know if you know this or not but I'm friends with JP MC Isaac the laptop

59:42

repairman oh uh I his I I met him through his father and uh when all of

59:49

this story started breaking I helped you know JP get his security and his legal

59:54

team in place because he was sort of on his own at the time but the laptop is

59:59

absolutely 100 true and his story is a hundred percent true and yet here's

1:00:05

kirkoff just recently within the last two weeks still insisting that it's Russian disinformation

1:00:11

I mean the man he is a malevolent force in government and has shown that he has

1:00:16

absolutely zero principles uh he will lie about anything terrifying it's terrifying to think that

1:00:24

this is you know he's going to put the stamp of approval on what what the American people are are able to digest

1:00:30

as as as actual and factual information uh good good good that Michael chertoff

1:00:35

is going to be there telling us what is disinformation from the man who spreads disinformation again these people that

1:00:41

are pushing this nonsense they forget they don't understand history so even during the darkest days of the Cold War

1:00:48

and and when the Soviet Union was at the height of his power they could not stop the spread of

1:00:56

information that whole thing is sami's done the books were circulating and underground

1:01:03

speeches and so you try to clamp down it's impossible yeah it creates some

1:01:10

real trouble on regular media but the fact of the matter is people have

1:01:16

abandoned regular media if you recall I did a comparison in 1968 in August

1:01:24

during that presidential campaign the number of viewers total for ABC CBS NBC

1:01:32

was like 56 million a night for that news show well now and of that Walter Cronkite

1:01:40

accounted for like 27 28 million so he had more than the other two uh combined

1:01:47

Jump Ahead to August 2016. I looked at the the ratings for the various new

1:01:53

shows ABC CBS NBC and fox MSNBC CNN

1:02:00

all of those stations combined we're getting like 27 million viewers wow oh

1:02:07

it is and but within that there's a level of ignorance among the population too

1:02:14

they don't know who fought in World War II right they couldn't you couldn't if you asked them to identify Churchill

1:02:21

they think maybe you're talking about a race track in Kentucky right

1:02:27

well the the separation of the public from the media or the media's separation of itself from

1:02:34

the public is it's failed to perform its education and what it is educating now is is a

1:02:41

propaganda and most people you know turn it off so they're getting they're really

1:02:47

going to Alternative sources again that's why I think shows like what you do are important it puts something else

1:02:54

out there and if you get it up on a variety of platforms like bit shoot and Rumble that you're not confined to just

1:03:01

one it's important we didn't have this 20 years ago you know when I first when I

1:03:07

first started blogging uh the concept of YouTube was in its very very existence

1:03:14

and so people were doing it the old-fashioned way they literally record some program on television and then

1:03:19

figure out how to transfer it to their computer but now you know this stuff is miraculous what can be done in terms of

1:03:25

people broadcasting their own information but you have to be thoughtful you have to sort through it

1:03:30

and say is this person lying to me are they feeding me a load of crap right

1:03:36

yeah and we were shut down a couple of times uh covering both Ukraine uh revealing the truth about what was

1:03:42

happening um in mariopal and as well as bucha and and we we got shut down for it we were

1:03:48

also shut down for covering Pfizer's own documents reading from their own documents and that was labeled medical

1:03:55

misinformation yet this was literally their own paperwork but that's what happens with big Tech and then that's

1:04:02

why we we've been made a big push on Rumble and other platforms to make sure that we're we're protected uh in case

1:04:09

that happens again um but Larry where can people find you where can people read what you're

1:04:14

working on um and uh and and the thoughts that you're putting out in the world to bring us

1:04:20

um information that we can't get other places I write at sonar sonar21.com

1:04:29

that's where I blog I try to put up a piece today you know make sure we have that linked up in the show description it's a

1:04:36

sonar21.com and uh Larry I want to thank you so much for joining us I could talk

1:04:41

to you all day I have so many more questions uh but uh we'll have you back here on the show and I really appreciate

1:04:47

you uh uh taking some time out to to dive in and to cut through some of this

1:04:52

propaganda and some of the lies that people are being fed right now thank you so much thank you thank you so much for

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